From: Holger Jess
To: Rosen, Ebbe
Subject: Re: 505�s for swedish fleet
Vertical system workes very easy even
under load going upwind. Pin is sliding in the track and as it stands out at top (but out
of the way as beside the head of board) it can also be pushed down again. Both ropes go
back to skipper and is continues rope as lifting is same amount of rope as dropping again-
so no loose loop of ropelying around in boat
We will stay with transverse tube at back thwart as we need all ropes out to gunwhale to
be able to adjust quick and efficient as we most sail in shifty and gusty conditions in
Northen Europe (with cloud influence). That is a big advantage against the Waterat or
Duvoisin layout.
We fitted steel tube to make it heavy and it is angled forward to allow skipper to sit a
bit further forward withpout stepping over with leg.
Rondar can have any colour, but do not take red or yellow.
Both colours are extremly difficult to repair and yellow is heavy as it needs quit a lot
of gelcoat.
Holger
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From: Rosen, Ebbe
Sent: den 13 januari 2002 17:09
To: 'Holger Jess'
Subject: Rosen 505
Hello Holger,
Most things looks great but there are a few things that I want to have
fitted out
differently.
Some questions I have:
Whats the cost to have the Verticalo system installed?
Please describe what controls you have on the tanks and also the ones on the CB case.
Where are the cleats and release for your tweak-lines?
Where are your strut up/down control located?
Why do you use wire and not vectran/dynema rope for the shroud trim at tank sides?
What about if I want some Harken fittings instead of Ronstan? Like the Harken low swivel base jammer with rachet block for the mainsheet.
How much does the boat weight without any fittings on?
What model of trolleys are available?
Not wanted:
The spin sheet cleats at the shrouds: I want to put them on myself.
See photo
Main sheet system: I probably want to put this on myself. If you can't convince me that
your system is better then I want to make it my way. I'm not sure how you have it but
recall that Wolfgang use a track system and not a traditional rope bridle like what
Krister and I use. This means that there must be "room over" on the tank in
order to fasten the blocks and cleats which we use. The mainsheet swivel, on the CB case
end, maybe has to be moved slightly backwards a bit.
Wanted:
Trimlines for shroud and forestay ajustments: as you have it on the deck twart.
Jib trim: Identical to what you have. With two cheak blocks on the tanks. I guess the
outboard one is used in heavy wind/sea conditions when you want to get the jib out a bit
more. pls include the small piece of plastics that you have put on the aft screws on these
blocks.
Trapeze rubber cord: We have a plastic bullseye with Ferrule.
Rudder tiller extension: Ronstan telescopic (RF3132).
Autorachet blocks for spi-sheat.
Bailers: How many do you have and where are they located? We have only two, one small
at the front right side and one max large just behind the CB case.
CB flaps: We have just sailing cloth reinforced with a
mylar wowen type of material inside. At the front we have a rubber seal to keep water
turbolence to a minimum in the case when the board jibes.
Colour: I was thinking on having the same colours as on my
Waterat. White bottom, yellow sides and the same light grey on tanks.
Regards,
Ebbe
From: Holger Jess [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: den 17 januari 2002 07:47
To: Rosen, Ebbe
Subject: Re: Resend message: Rosen 505
Hi Ebbe,
Sorry for not replying, but I have been a bit ill and also had to
prepare things for D�sseldorf Boat Show where we run a 29er and 49er class stand. I have
to go there today til Monday and again next weekend. But I�m here at office tuesday til
Thursday and will reply on Tuesday will also meet Paul Young in D�sseldorf next weekend
and bring back with me the K6 for Super-Johan
Just wait a few days and you�ll have a proper reply and price for boat.
Within 2 weeks a complete 505 trim set up report of several pages plus many pictures will
turn up. We will also get an english version done to use worldwide.
I cannot reach the boys who bought 8542 from Tom Swift they have not completely paid me
yet for boat and I get no reply to mail could you please try to contact them and remind
them.
Thanks Holger
From: Holger Jess [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: den 2 februari 2002 16:23
To: Rosen, Ebbe
Subject: Re: Rosen 505
Hi Ebbe
here finally is reply to your questions.
I met Paul Young last week at D�sseldorf Show when he delivered K6 for Johan which I took
to here.
505 for you would be available in may - Paul cannot build
more boats earlier unfortunately. Maybe it would be possible to combine collection of boat
with a regatta here?
From early April Krister will have 2 boats so you could
maybe practice with him in one of these boats.
Tom Bojland, who will also have a new Rondar, will borrow
Schonherr�s 505 til he got his new one.
Foil project is progressing, moulds CNC cut - will mail you some shots.
Vertical system: completely fitted track and system etc would be extra about 250€.
Controlls on the sides / on seat tank 2 cleats for jib block up /down and in/out both
sides linked and symetrical.
Controlls going out from cap to recess on both sides are:
starting from back: Kicker, forestay/rake, shrouds, mast ram down front one not going out
is ram up.
Shrouds: wire used as we had spectra jamming into sides of sheaves and also you would
always see if wire gets damaged so less risk and weight is no point here.
Transverse back thwart tube is reverted (rewuitred) to hold the case top and also take the
2 short tracks for triangle system for mainsheet bridle we will stay with that system as
transom sheeting is shit in gusty conditions as it will be very critical with kicker
adjustment and in northern Europe we always have clouds and gusts.
Transom sheeting is nice in light or consistant breezes.
Fittings: we prefer Ronstan as these are great value for money and f.x. our old boat 8670
is still completly fitted with the first fittings from 97 apart from 4 blocks and that
boat had a very hard live and been used a lot by us and G�rge. Well, some details can
change to Harken, but will not change completly.
We are sealing all fittings with Epoxy with filler and some also with Sikaflex as well.
I still got one "old style " Rapide trolley available.
I agree: Olle needs some new gear !!!! what ? Drysuit +.....
Cleats at shrouds work perfekt as they need to be high to avoid sheeet slipping out.
Platform is good to step your foot against it if you start to nosedive the boat on a very
windy run hitting a wave and trying to avoid running forward. Was good at Abersoch 1 day.
wanted:
yes- all no problem
But spi ratchet is better on transom as it is a 180 degree turn there so you need a large
strong block there and in front it is always banging against tank in also in the way.
2 bailers is o.k. but the left big one has to be far enough back and the right front one
far enough forward at deepest point of hull. No 3. bailer required - we can open our
transom flaps and also close them with a little cleat near mainsheet cleat so flaps can
stay open when very windy
More questions ?
We will soon also get HA rudder mould done.
Holger
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